Editorial: How Robert Sanchez of IESB.net Treats His Friends
Filed under: Site Announcements, Critical Thought
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Shortly before Comic-Con started this year, I heard about the Masters of Web panel that would be happening -- a panel comprised of leaders of some prominent movie sites. The panel wasn't originated by Con organizers, it was sold to them, pre-packaged. Cinematical wasn't invited to sit, which on some level I understand since we've been around for two years, while other sites like JoBlo have been around much longer. On the other hand, our traffic triples and quadruples that of many of those who were being invited, so it was a little odd. Check out the traffic measuring site of your choice to verify that. But since I was sending a team to the Con, I felt obligated to find out who was organizing this panel and ask them politely, 'Hey, can Cinematical sit in?' It turned out to be Robert Sanchez of IESB.net, who I considered a friendly colleague. Back when IESB was shut down by Paramount Pictures in May, Cinematical wrote a post saying that was way out of line, and IESB actually thanked us for that.
So I e-mailed Robert, asking him if we could sit on the panel. He wrote me back, saying that the reason we weren't invited was because there were already a huge number of invitees and the Con was asking for numbers to be cut down, not expanded. Okay, sounded reasonable enough, and again, I didn't really care. The panel was considered pretty low-rent anyway -- AICN skipped it all-together. I never gave it another thought, until this morning when someone on my team pointed me to the video IESB is hosting of the event. Imagine my surprise to find Robert completely bashing Cinematical, a site that sends him tons of traffic and never shows his site anything but proper respect. Of course, he doesn't come out and say our name -- he hides behind saying 'blog owned by AOL' as if that could mean anything but us. Last time I checked, we're the only movie blog owned by AOL that turns over millions of hits a month. Here's where we got mentioned, during Robert's diatribe about how no one gives him props:
"It's not only established media ... we're not bloggers, for God's sakes. I'm not a f**king blogger. You know, we might have a blog, but we don't blog. Chud's not a blog. Latino Review's not a blog. And I hate when the established 'quote unquote' media treats us as bloggers. But at the same time, bloggers who live 300 miles away from any f**king studio will pick up our stories and they do the exact same thing. There's even a couple that are owned, by like, AOL -- I'm not gonna mention their f**king names -- that will run stories without giving us credit. Or they'll do a stupid little hyperlink, like 'sources are saying,' you know. But they won't mention your name. We're the ones working our asses off to bring you guys news, and we do. I think everyone here does it full time, or almost full time. You know, we have families to support ... but son of a bitch, these little bloggers who don't do anything but live with their mom will take our stories and not give us credit and they write them up as their own." [We did verify with Robert that he was intentionally referring to us. He owned up to it.]
So where do I start? Robert, we've never written up any story of yours without credit -- that's against our editorial policy and I challenge you to produce a link to such a story. Second of all, Cinematical doesn't do original content? I guess reviewing every single movie doesn't count, right? How about the exclusive 1.1 interviews we've scored in the last month alone: Elisha Cuthbert, Julie Delpy, Amelia Warner, Neil Gaiman, Steve Niles, Kevin Smith, Kevin Bacon, Gretchen Mol ... should I go on? Produce your 1.1 interview roster for July, Mr. Web Master -- let's compare. How about the set visits we've done? I won't mention the one I got back from last week, since IESB.net wasn't among the invitees. Do you know what set I'm visiting in mid-September? Also, see you in Venice and Toronto, if you got accredited. And did I hear correctly -- did you actually say that the people on the panel are not bloggers? Four or five of those panelists don't re-purpose Variety stories with commentary, daily? And what about you? Why did IESB run the Avatar casting today? It wasn't exclusive to you, after all. How interesting. And why did you run Moviefone's exclusive Rendition trailer this morning as if it was your own, without credit? It's "all about ethics," right Robert?
By the way, what is your criteria for being a non-blogger? Please don't give me the corporate-owned line -- do I really need to point out which corporations own which of those panel-sitting sites? Let me guess -- to be a non-blogger, you have to produce scoops, right? We do that. We're not fully L.A. based, but we still do it. And yes, Variety rips us off too. Let's see, very recently I broke Mena Suvari starring in the Hemingway movie, and it showed up in Variety shortly after. I broke Will Arnett being in talks for his next film a week or so ago. I could go on and on. And I'm not talking about 'question-mark scoops.' I could do that all day. "A Clash of the Titans Director, Perhaps?" is not a scoop, Robert. Also, another thing I do not do, but someone on your panel does, is routinely wait until Variety publishes something and then say 'I knew this all along, but I just didn't tell you.' Yet another thing I don't do, but others on your panel do, is routinely print up roundtable interviews as 1.1s. And do you want me to point out which panel-sitting sites use your dreaded hyperlink method of credit, always? The truth is you look ridiculous by putting it out there that we're hacks. I'm waiting for my apology, Robert.










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
8-03-2007 @ 9:02PM
Sam G. said...
Oh man, is this ever going to end badly.
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8-03-2007 @ 9:28PM
Electrix said...
Oh dear...
I prefer IESB's layout, yet Cinematical's articles are more entertaining. But whatever I think doesnt matter.
I hope Robert apologises or says something about it. Everyone should get along :)
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8-03-2007 @ 9:34PM
mish said...
I think you guys should have a dance off - best moves win, yo.
Needless drama, sure it will blow over soon enough.
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8-03-2007 @ 10:23PM
Obsolete Vernacular said...
I won't comment directly on this burgeoning rivalry; it was a moot subject before Ryan ever brought it up. Sites like IESB, Chud, JoBlo, and The Movie Blog lost my patronage a long time ago for a laundry list of reasons which, incidentally, have been enumerated above by Ryan.
Anyone who can read and converse at or above the 8th grade level and has even a weak grasp on the concept of journalistic integrity should have no problem identifying Cinematical as the singular exception to the juvenility and depravity that virtually defines the field. Cinematical belongs in a league of its own. Its content is consistently informed, honest, entertaining, and abundant. The Cinematical staff earns the respect of its readership everyday, something that these other sites haven't done since their inception.
Let the guys in the cheap seats say whatever they want; nobody can hear them down on the field.
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8-03-2007 @ 11:22PM
The Movie Blog said...
"Sites like IESB, Chud, JoBlo, and The Movie Blog..."
Wha... huh... where? How did I get dragged into this??
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8-03-2007 @ 11:56PM
Nun Such said...
I don't know who Obsolete Vernacular's kidding. Only a plant would write "Cinematical as the singular exception to the juvenility and depravity..."
Sorry, but that was funny.
You guys just need to drop it and get back to work. Whoever decides what to put up on this site is definitely not the bigger man for putting this article up. If you lie with dogs, you will get fleas. Or so the saying goes.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who reads about 15 movie sites a day, including both IESB and Cinematical and I don't want to have to be dragged into mud slinging. Keep that stuff off line if you must.
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8-04-2007 @ 12:25AM
forsammyray said...
Cinematical is the only site that I frequent several times a day because it has the most information and a balanced, respectable, and honest voice.
You guys are doing a good job here, and I can understand that hurt feelings led to this article. We had the same situation with the Movie Blog a few months back. I can just say that I tend to agree with Nun Such that arguments and disagreements probably would be better served off line.
You guys are the class act and the professionals in a field of posers and pretenders. STAY THAT WAY.
www.therecshow.com
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8-04-2007 @ 12:35AM
Reinaldo Morales said...
It's only obvious that the comments made by Mr Sanchez respond only to the fear of Cinematical being a better site overall.
I go to plenty of websites for movie info and the best always comes from Cinematical, other sites like Cinema Blend even having good news fall into the "I want to be a smart ass and bash every single thing I don't like personally" type of website.
So keep doing what you are doing and Mr Sanchez and his colleagues can go straight to hell.
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8-04-2007 @ 1:13AM
Screen Rant said...
I always link to AND name my sources in my posts. I do get the occaisonal (I can never spell that stupid word) scoop, but I consider my movie site more of an opinion/editorial site than a scoop site.
Vic
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8-04-2007 @ 3:56AM
Peter Sciretta said...
I just posted an extensive response to this blog post at:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/08/04/movie-websites-attack/
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8-04-2007 @ 4:28AM
Evan S. said...
OH SNAP! They should make a movie out of this!
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8-04-2007 @ 10:24AM
Peter said...
Fuck him.
I just scoped out IESB (I think for the first time ever, which is odd since I read dozens of movie sites daily); presentation doesn't change anything, they're a blog just like the rest of us.
Oh, and all that activity on their boards is deafening...
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8-04-2007 @ 12:35PM
Sandy said...
I don't know about most people who read blogs, but I couldn't care less who gets the news FIRST. I realize people in the news biz care about this kinda thing, but I just want the stuff, I don't care where I hear it first.
And I went to iesb.net just to see what their site looked like, and nothing against anyone there, but damn I really hate blogs with black backgrounds. It's one reason I like Cinematical and TV Squad so much. It's easy to read and doesn't look like it's trying to do too much.
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8-04-2007 @ 12:49PM
Ryan Stewart said...
Thanks to everyone for all the nice comments. I've been flooded with e-mails from other movie blogs who were also disturbed by Mr. Sanchez's comments. Bloggers, movie site webmasters, whatever you want to call us -- we're all just people who try very hard to figure out a way to get paid to go to movie screenings all day and write about it. End of story.
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8-04-2007 @ 1:13PM
KingofBigScreen said...
why did the photo change? Could it be because you violated someone else's copyright? When I see you post articles that I as the King know to be wrong (like Megan Fox in Half Dead) I realize that you guys are just bought and paid for regurgitators like comingsoon.net. MUCH better writers but you guys don't know jack. Robert pwned your asses. Now it is clear to many others who were not there. Joke's on you.
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8-04-2007 @ 3:32PM
THeo said...
I just think this should be dealt with in private and not put out on the internet for everyone to read. I feel the same way as one of the other commenters, I don't really care about where I hear movie news first. It just comes down to the writers and how they present the facts. I don't think a lot of readers obsess over which site gets the exclusive on the songs we will hear in the Alvin and the Chipmunks remake or anything like that...
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8-04-2007 @ 7:54PM
lee said...
kinda tacky airing this crap online, not very mature or professional imo.
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8-05-2007 @ 11:48AM
jaesun13 said...
There's nothing worse than a douche, and Robert Sanchez is one of the biggest douches on the net. I met the guy while out in San Diego and he's got an ego bigger than the state of Texas. He's just jealous that Cinematical gets more hits than his crappy site, and while it may not be set up like a conventional blog, it's just as much a blog as this site is.
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8-05-2007 @ 3:25PM
Dirt Bag said...
I don't get this, Cinematical clearly took an a story that IESB broke and did not give credit to the source but yet IESB and Robert is a douche bag? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Thats funny that Ryan has problems with Devin from Chud and also from Ed from Comingsoon, are they also douchebags and are they also jealous of a site that is owned by AOL?
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8-05-2007 @ 4:37PM
Jason said...
Neil over at Film School Rejects said it best. Online press already have enough trouble convincing print journalists that we belong just as much as they do. The last thing we need is a rift between the online community.
Can't we all just get along?
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